Wednesday, January 30, 2019

New comment by marcc in "The Kubernetes Kustomize KEP Kerfuffle"

> people can do different things

That's one of my favorite things about that composability of the Kubernetes tools. I don't believe there's a reason for a "tool fight" in the Kubernetes ecosystem. There might be disagreements about best practices, for example how to manage code in a cluster (gitops vs kubectl apply vs helm install vs ...), but that's not a tool fight as much as a methodology difference. And there's room for more than one pattern to emerge.

I think that any tool that is able to deploy an open source project to my cluster, while minimizing the amount of operational overhead I need to assume, is the tool that I want. I don't care if that is Kustomize, Helm, Ksonnet, or anything else, as long as it mets the requirements of a) it has to work with my environment and b) it shouldn't introduce unecessary operational overhead.

You also mention that Kubernetes is hard to learn, which is absolutely a problem. Adoption is growing, but it's getting harder to learn as more features get merged in. And you are right, nobody should have to learn Kubernetes YAML to deploy a standard, off-the-shelf Wordpress installation. But what about more complicated software that needs "last mile" customization done to work in a specific environment? This blog post (https://testingclouds.wordpress.com/2018/07/20/844/) shows a great way to combine the power of the Helm community and chart format with the last-mile tooling that Kustomize can provide to help keep charts simple but still flexible. That feels much better than forking the chart and maintaining a separate copy of it just to make a few changes that are specific to a single use case.

I have mixed feelings about Kustomize getting merged into kubectl. I don't like the idea of Google "crowning" a winner, and I hope the sig-architecture group and Google teams remain diligent to prevent that from happening. Kustomize is not a replacement for Helm, it's a very good tool to handle specific use cases that often involve Helm charts at the source.



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